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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Oberon on January 22, 2013, 10:08 pm

Title: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: Oberon on January 22, 2013, 10:08 pm
...by forcing us to post more info than we previously needed to just to get to a higher priv. status....
Title: Re: This new policy esposes us to LE more
Post by: nomad bloodbath on January 22, 2013, 10:10 pm
I don';t understand what you mean.
How are you submitting more info?

X)
nomad
Title: Re: This new policy esposes us to LE more
Post by: Oberon on January 22, 2013, 10:15 pm
p.s. EXPOSES, sorry, spelling error..

well it forces us to make more posts/give up more info than we otherwise might...
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: nomad bloodbath on January 22, 2013, 10:23 pm
Can you not browse the information in the other sections?
I don't see how you are doing more than you would usually, though many of you are going about this in a really labor driven manner that is unneeded.
You can either ask your question here or search the forum for topics on your question that will provide answers and if you cant find the answers come ask here again.
I promise if you guys ask questions instead of spamming up posts count you'll get much more direct answers to your questions from moderators than you might in the open forum because this section is much smaller and easier to manage and get to everyone's questions.

X)
nomad
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: bigboy999 on January 22, 2013, 10:47 pm
this forum doesn't increase or decrease LE risks in any way.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: futura on January 23, 2013, 02:07 am
What is LE ??
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: Oberon on January 23, 2013, 02:10 am
to the extent that forcing at least 50 posts makes people prone to post info that could halp give their identity for Law Enforcement to use later in compiling....GODAMIT! FORGET IT...im just blabbing to get these damn posts up to 50
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: FrankTheTank1 on January 23, 2013, 02:12 am
it forces useless posts like this one
le is the cops
also called uncle leo
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: MaoZedong on January 23, 2013, 02:42 am
Yea not trying to act like a forum dictionary here, just trying to clarify for any newbies.  LE stands for Law Enforcement of any kind. UNCLE stands for UNderCover Law Enforcement. Like the kind that sit outside peoples houses or po boxes or they can be seen walking around any large festival in very clean tennis shoes.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: sinbaby on January 23, 2013, 03:21 am
Yea not trying to act like a forum dictionary here, just trying to clarify for any newbies.  LE stands for Law Enforcement of any kind. UNCLE stands for UNderCover Law Enforcement. Like the kind that sit outside peoples houses or po boxes or they can be seen walking around any large festival in very clean tennis shoes.

Yeah props for clarifying the terms. Haha your so dead on about UNCLE though hahaha shit
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: ontheregs on January 23, 2013, 03:35 am
I am going to assume that if you posted extra information in a NEWBIE forum that would attract LE attention to you that its probably a safe thing that you didn't make it to the bigger boards.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: raynardine on January 23, 2013, 03:40 am
What is LE ??

LEO is a lion. Also Jesus is a lion.

LEO = Law Enforcement Officer.

A whining dog of the State.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: vorvon on January 23, 2013, 03:45 am
Why the fuck would you give out personal info here?  Your musical tastes?  The NSA gonna nail down your favorite food?
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: Mischke on January 23, 2013, 04:22 am
The fears here are overblown.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: trippylizard on January 23, 2013, 04:48 am
LEO is a lion. Also Jesus is a lion.

I have it on good authority that Jesus is a raptor. 8)
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: soralangg on January 23, 2013, 02:44 pm
In other news the police have raided sesame street for the count after he exposed himself in the newbie forum. 
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: surmer on March 30, 2013, 12:09 pm
Fear is only overblown when they lead to suicide.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: Identity on March 30, 2013, 12:25 pm
The fears might be overblown, but then they might not be.

I think it's a good idea to think twice before you post anything on here. Threads like what music do you listen to whilst on XTC? seem pretty innocent but post in a thousand threads like that and LE can build up a pretty good profile of you.

I guess it's pretty unlikely for most of us that LE will ever end up investigating us in that much detail, but what if they do?

Anyway, the worst part about the newbie forum is that is is full of newbies who don't know what they're doing giving advice to other newbies who don't know what they're doing. There is a guy on the main forum posting links to clearnet websites telling people to access them outside of TOR..... !? The worst part is, I think he actually believes that is the correct thing to do. Then again, he might be LE? Who knows. But post stuff like that in this forum and there won't necessarily be people to come along and correct it...
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: cutie see on March 30, 2013, 12:31 pm
I think all the spam in this forum just makes their jobs harder. now they have to sift through thousands more pointless get to fifty posts along with actual forum posts with real information
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: BloodThinner on March 30, 2013, 12:37 pm
I still don't understand.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: BloodThinner on March 30, 2013, 12:53 pm
Im new but I think thats not true thru TOR.  Only some people can find you but  LE can't.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: PSI on March 30, 2013, 12:58 pm
Yeah I have a PHD in Computer Scirnce, and there is no possible way they can track you thru TOR.  I now of only specific groups that can find you because they are criminals thereselves and then it would be very difficult but possible.  So to end this statement, the people who are posting this is the LE thereselves that are trying to scare you.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: PSI on March 30, 2013, 12:59 pm
#$
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: PSI on March 30, 2013, 01:02 pm
34434
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: BloodThinner on March 30, 2013, 01:06 pm
wew
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: BloodThinner on March 30, 2013, 01:08 pm
Does anybody now were to find snoop dog smoke.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: Identity on March 30, 2013, 01:08 pm
The thread is more about what you post on this forum though.

If I post my name and address here, LE will probably be able to track me down... whether I'm using TOR or not!

If I post my home town, the school I went to, and what I do for a living, LE may well be able to track me down...

If I post my country, favourite music, favourite drugs, whether I received a package today or not, etc.... can LE track me down? Probably not. But the longer that list gets, and more likely it is my clearnet activity will correlate with all the info about me........ who knows?
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: BloodThinner on March 30, 2013, 01:09 pm
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Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: BloodThinner on March 30, 2013, 01:10 pm
I heard lying to people is  illigal if your the Police
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: BloodThinner on March 30, 2013, 01:12 pm
I honestly feel Le are ful of shit
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: BloodThinner on March 30, 2013, 01:12 pm
Or shit of full
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: PSI on March 30, 2013, 01:14 pm
Le are stupid man
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: PSI on March 30, 2013, 01:15 pm
To be honest tehy can't  find there dick with both hands, just keepin real.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: PSI on March 30, 2013, 01:18 pm
Why do Le keep posting bullshit like we really give a fuck or something, the only way that they  can track is if you post your real name in the forum and then there probally to stupid to find you.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: PSI on March 30, 2013, 01:19 pm
This is like Rd 56 of there bullshit. I think we really think your all full of shit.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: stinkybuns on March 30, 2013, 01:42 pm
at least the 50 post bs will keep the lazy pigs off the boards...  ;)
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: PSI on March 30, 2013, 01:57 pm
When I said LE can't find you thru TOR is very true.  Because how much will the gov pay for a computer person maybe 80 or so.  When I said other people can if they wanted to, because a criminal interprise that recruits only  the best.  Money is no object so if they really wanted to find you they would be payed lots of cash.  It would not that easy but if they wanted they fuckin could, but only if it was fuckin neccesary, now do you understand my fuckin point of  view
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: BloodThinner on March 30, 2013, 02:01 pm
Yeah Now I understand your fuckin fuckin point of view.  Your  replying to like crimnal enterprises as in oh yeah I know what you mean.  Those services can be hired to scare people. but to actually do it it must be extremly necessary.   The money isn't cheap.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: BloodThinner on March 30, 2013, 02:04 pm
But there always asshole that need to be fucked up you know, and the LE would agree with it.  Nobody going to harris people for no reason.. If you start shit there will people to take action.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: whitenegro on March 30, 2013, 02:06 pm
Its your choice to post more information.. In reality this is a spam board.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: PSI on March 30, 2013, 02:12 pm
You threaten me or something
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: PSI on March 30, 2013, 02:13 pm
You got a fuckin promblem or something
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: PSI on March 30, 2013, 02:15 pm
don't threaten me you piece of shit
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: wheardego on March 30, 2013, 03:29 pm
Actually, not to get too noided out here, but small details about personal tastes are clues to identity. Things like that also establish behavior patterns which can lead to uncovering someones identity. These are the things that the fed monsters use to track anons. Just don't offer up any specifics about your own habits, and don't use any nicks, sigs, or related digital tidbits that draw parallels to your actual identity. Chaos is your friend! ;D
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: opiatelover on March 30, 2013, 03:33 pm
There is no way any number of posts on here should increase your risk to LE unless you are a complete dumbass sharing info you have no business sharing on here, in which case you probably shouldn't be using SR and the forum in the first place. This forum and community is to discuss general things, to help keep everyone informed and safe, and also to provide reviews of vendors. Unless you are either a vendor or are buying traffic-able quantities, then you shouldn't be so paranoid. Just make sure you always use PGP for encryption, don't give out too much info, and you will be fine.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: vox111 on March 30, 2013, 04:53 pm
Not sure what everyones ranting about .
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: Kinetic on March 30, 2013, 06:58 pm
There is no way any number of posts on here should increase your risk to LE unless you are a complete dumbass sharing info you have no business sharing on here, in which case you probably shouldn't be using SR and the forum in the first place. This forum and community is to discuss general things, to help keep everyone informed and safe, and also to provide reviews of vendors. Unless you are either a vendor or are buying traffic-able quantities, then you shouldn't be so paranoid. Just make sure you always use PGP for encryption, don't give out too much info, and you will be fine.
I agree - your post count has no correlation to your risk of exposure to LE as long as you are sensible and don't inadvertently post anything that can be linked to you real identity.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: Chaosforpeace on March 30, 2013, 07:00 pm
What is LE ??

LEO is a lion. Also Jesus is a lion.

LEO = Law Enforcement Officer.

A whining dog of the State.


Wait a minute, then by the transitive property law enforcement officers are all Jesus!!!!
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: sands647 on March 30, 2013, 07:18 pm
to the extent that forcing at least 50 posts makes people prone to post info that could halp give their identity for Law Enforcement to use later in compiling....GODAMIT! FORGET IT...im just blabbing to get these damn posts up to 50
if that is the case you should not be here at all.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: laplace on March 30, 2013, 08:18 pm
...by forcing us to post more info than we previously needed to just to get to a higher priv. status....
Only if you're actually stupid enough to put usable info in your first 50 posts. No one is forcing you to do shit.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: NCChronic on March 30, 2013, 09:42 pm
forcing? paranoid.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: Mr Shakur on March 30, 2013, 10:12 pm
Very clean tennis shoes............ Now that is funny shit because that is the way they roll, sometimes with socks rolled up too haha

Always order to Mums or Chums you trust, if you don't have that relationship where your not going to get fucked by your friend or mum DO NOT FUCKING DO IT lol

Only If they Know the score, and there's incentive in it for them.

 Your CPU is at your home, the product goes elsewhere there's No direct link, which is finger licking good because there's NO accountability.It is horrible when a VICIOUS criminal is sending DRUGS to a Law abiding persons Address, tragic,  truly Tragic case of mistaken Identity haha

Peace       
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: mahalakshmi on March 30, 2013, 11:48 pm
I did not even use my own speech. I feed all that I want to say the specifications through a translation program in another language, then back to English. It eliminates the phrasing or other contextual clues that could allow an adversary determined to form a profile of me.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: tramonym on March 31, 2013, 12:52 am
wtf
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: AllDayLong on March 31, 2013, 01:34 am
I did not even use my own speech. I feed all that I want to say the specifications through a translation program in another language, then back to English. It eliminates the phrasing or other contextual clues that could allow an adversary determined to form a profile of me.

Yeah that is definitely a valid concern if you are being investigated.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: surmer on March 31, 2013, 02:41 am
I did not even use my own speech. I feed all that I want to say the specifications through a translation program in another language, then back to English. It eliminates the phrasing or other contextual clues that could allow an adversary determined to form a profile of me.

Yeah that is definitely a valid concern if you are being investigated.

That's beautifully intelligent. Alas, I am bound by my cunning and guise to distinguish my identity from my anonymity. This is actually the place where I put my most intelligent and personal thoughts, so anything that comes of it is fiction as far as the courts go. It does not exist anywhere but here. The physical connection to an IP address is also meaningless, as has been said elsewhere: random geolocations with free WiFi... well, for the price of coffee and snacks... another example of how SR boosts local economies.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: AllDayLong on March 31, 2013, 03:16 am
I did not even use my own speech. I feed all that I want to say the specifications through a translation program in another language, then back to English. It eliminates the phrasing or other contextual clues that could allow an adversary determined to form a profile of me.

Yeah that is definitely a valid concern if you are being investigated.

That's beautifully intelligent. Alas, I am bound by my cunning and guise to distinguish my identity from my anonymity. This is actually the place where I put my most intelligent and personal thoughts, so anything that comes of it is fiction as far as the courts go. It does not exist anywhere but here. The physical connection to an IP address is also meaningless, as has been said elsewhere: random geolocations with free WiFi... well, for the price of coffee and snacks... another example of how SR boosts local economies.

I write exactly what I think on here, but I'm certain there are people on here who could be tied to this or that and eventually convicted with the help of all their posts on here. Of course I don't think for small time folks they would go to such lengths, but there are some people they want oh so bad.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: surmer on March 31, 2013, 10:59 am
Yes, until an investigation goes public, every possible technique is a statistical possibility. It could be a paradigm shift as to how LE and the public responds to SR. If it becomes a public safety issue, then it could spell serious trouble ahead. There are responsible men and women on the forum that have taken public safety seriously. SR allows entrepreneurs to develop credible business relations via an anonymous marketplace. Granted that it is "illegal", I believe that SR will be more easily accepted as a permanent facet of society than street corner thugs and gangsters.

Drugs can now be bought/sold with discretion and relative safety--with the exception of the rampant number of synthetic drugs, especially in the THC market which dominates the Road. This is an incredible change to how the Drug War of the Nixon Era will operate. Roughly, 40 years of changes, and we can finally move away from the violent War on Drugs to a more European model of tolerance and legalization. This new model, if it is adopted, will at least remove the stigma and hardship of using drugs so that people that want to break uncontrollable habits (meth, coke, heroin, i.e. hard drugs), will have the resources to get clean. A USPS rate increase could dramatically shape public health and safety, instead of violent capture methods by SWAT storm troopers and CIA-like plain clothes detectives...

hopefully... hopefully there will be enough honest LEOs with hearts and minds, open and more intelligent than a foot soldier awaiting orders. Cops don't want to be shot at. They want to finish the day with their wife and kids. Who doesn't wanna go home and fuck their partner senseless at the end of the day? Or maybe just some spray some knucklechildren all over their favorite magazine--or nowadays, their keyboard. Fuck more, fight less.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: laplace on April 01, 2013, 03:00 am
but I'm certain there are people on here who could be tied to this or that and eventually convicted with the help of all their posts on here.
That's why it's a good idea to go over your old posts and edit out all the small details that LE might find useful.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: aussiepp on April 01, 2013, 03:13 am
Yeah, not really man. I'm not posting any personal info really, just spitting bullshit.
Title: Re: This new policy exposes us to LE more
Post by: cantharidin on April 01, 2013, 03:19 am

I write exactly what I think on here, but I'm certain there are people on here who could be tied to this or that and eventually convicted with the help of all their posts on here. Of course I don't think for small time folks they would go to such lengths, but there are some people they want oh so bad.

Yes^  For the average sclub user (me!) I maintain that there is no way that LE will track you down because of what you write here - the resources required could never be marshaled to apply to an individual user. It's conceivable that LE could get to what I write here AFTER they've already tracked me down (due to whatever fuck-up which we all need to realize is not 100% guaranteed not to happen), but I'm probably already fucked by that time, and if I'm smart I'll take the steps needed to keep my SR presence out of LE sight if they do happen to bust down my door one morning.  As a matter of principle and good practices, I'm not going to give out all kinds of identifying information, but I'm not going to be all paranoid and worry about totally sanitizing every sentence.  If I was one of the major vendors, I'd have a different attitude and be more serious about making sure I didn't say anything that wasn't necessary for carrying on business.